government is not stable enough in order to actually do that? >> the truth is that the civilian government is very weak. so when prime minister gilani says all these things you don't know whether he means them, whether the military has put him up to them. but you know, prime minister gilani's protestations that they've never used militants, that it's all the united states's fault, this is just not true historically. i mean, your show is very good at holding people to account. the pakistani government has used militants for 40 years. they've used them -- >> why do they repeatedly lie, though -- >> they've used them in afghanistan -- >> why do they repeatedly lie about stuff that is just demonstrably not true? even president musharraf on this program has said, you know, there's no way the leader of the taliban, mullah omar, is inside pakistan. you know, he denied that bin laden was inside pakistan for years. >> you know, i remember, anderson, around the time that you're describing, musharraf and karzai got into a big fight.