very, very difficult time with the sequester and all the other things going on. mr. hagel may be a very nice man but we have a lot of people whoa we be better. i don't think we're going to get anybody but hagel. he's going to be confirmed and figures to be what mr. obama wants, a guy who is not going to be independent, who is not going to have a deep knowledge of the defense community and not going to be a very effective guy over >> neil: some secretaries of defense, leeon panetta, no defense background, did a pretty good job, utilizing his congressional skills and advisory skills. turned out to be a good assessor of the state of defense in this country you. don't think hagel could groove into that job the same way? >> i don't think so, and i disagree with the premise. we look at the pentagon right now. leeon panetta for a year refused to plan for the sequester. so now if hagel gets in -- and