how much should we put that on the line to demand that they turn snowden back to us? >> i think you need to be very aggressive. it depends if they think he still have value. >> since the leaks, there has been a lot of criticism on the program from the right and left. i want to focus on conservatives, people like rand paul. they say fine, leave law abiding americans alone, take alook. >> this is what we partly objected to. they can go computer to computer or phone to phone without specifying who you're targeting.