you think that's a good thing, right? >> yeah, i think the -- perhaps the one of the only good things is wield like to sever the connection between employment healthcare so you don't lose it every time you move. that is a bad goal. going at it the wrong way. >> inordinate amount of power over the employee and you just don't want that kind secondly. >> going about changing that in a terrible way. >> the concept of preexisting conditions, if you get ill, insurance company doesn't ring you because they're paying too many bills. chuck this guy off the roles because he has got cancer or heart disease or whatever. i don't think that's right. i think there should be a law against it. do you agree mary katharine? >> i think that's wrong as well. there are changes that could have been made without blowing up the individual insurance fraud. could have been done in small part. >> want to be in that business. they have to obey those laws. >> the supporters of owe obamacare all the things