never put matt lauer in a corner. matt was going to fly there and be a ratings draw. palin, she always gives you a couple ticks up. >> makes news. >> she does. >> whatever she says is news. >> she canceled on that interview. so matt must be saying, guys, over at msnbc, they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. >> you never see him on msnbc. you never do. there's a reason for this. >> he has to be angry about that. one more thing about palin. >> quickly. >> the super pac is not -- i did respond. sarah palin has not. i think you see maturation on her part. she used to just jump right in and thin skinned and if she responds personally, that gets the story more and more legs. >> i think sarah palin is used to people beating up on her fairly and unfairly. beyond the pale and i know he apologized. it was a long apology and it seem to be full throated but is