but just to be there. you don't come there but once in a life. to realize you are standing in a valley -- a valley surrounded by mountains on three side higher than the grand canyon is deep and you are seeing what hasser in been seen with human eyes. you are standing where no human being has been before. i always said going to the moon is a technological and technical and spiritual space program orbiting the earth. it truly is. it was for me anyway. martha: people look back at these mission and they look at them with awe. but they also look at them with the hindsight of knowing you all got there and you were able to do it. when you were doing the gemini 9 mission, nobody knew this was something that could be accomplished and you had a rough time up there.