>> you smell that, fresh baked pie right from the oven. did you like it, pete? >> in a zero sum game the rich take a big piece so the rest of us have less but in a free society -- it's not a zero sum game. the makers who get rich get rich by baking many more pies. i don't think people get that that bill gates baked a lot of new pies. >> yeah, they don't get it -- adam smith made himself famous precisely by showing that the economy is not a zero sum game but that both sides at least believe they gained through exchange. >> and unless they both win the trade doesn't happen. it's voluntary. >> these people tend to think that they know better and that they -- if they were at the helm, everything would work out fine and it never does. they know that they are smarter than anybody else. they are the guys at harvard, at the kennedy school of government and so on. they know and whoever challenges