for that. >> that's assuming their parents educated them about the alcohol. i think there are kids who would probably benefit from knowing what it can do to you. >> i remember dr. ruth came out. parents are so worried about kids and sex, the best thing you can do is tell them everything early. it takes the taboo away. i go with our italian heritage. they make the kids drink wine at lunch and dinner. have a sip of wine, it's no big deal. there's no age when it comes to europe. you go in there, grab a beer. i think it would work if you take the taboo away. this needs to be challenged -- >> by the italian americans. >> if you just tell people they can have it. >> my great grandmother made wine biscuits. >> before all my kids went to