this is a bill that an ordinary times would not be controversial, but these are not ordinary times. >> it's a fix of a bill that through mischaracterization and confusion has come to be greatly misunderstood. >> two republican governors in full retreat this week over religious freedom bills they supported and then had to rework after protests, the measures would allow discrimination against gays. and we're back now with the panel. jason, what is your takeaway from the retreat, if you will, that -- first of all, about the whole debate over religious freedom and the fact that the governors, as you saw here of arkansas and indiana after first saying they were going to sign these bills then had to insist that they be reworked before they did -- were finished with them. >> both sides are claiming intolerance here. only one side is guilty of hypocrisy. that's what i see going on here.