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membership now or in the immediate future, nato countries, including the united states and the russians on the other side would have to sign some sort of security guarantee for a free ukraine. those are obviously very big points that both sides want agreement on before there will be anything like a real cease-fire here. steve, rachel, brian? >> brian: jonathan, of course the last time they had a peace agreement they gave up their nukes and look how that turned out. they were told guaranteed i security by russia and nato nations especially the u.s. does this sound right to you, jonathan? these ukrainians are releasing these numbers. they say they have killed 13,500 russians. took out 81 planes, 4123 tanks. 479 armored vehicles and 95 choppers. i know they have had success but do those numbers sound accurate to you from antidotal evidence that you might have seen?