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when we are saying the most wealthy corporations in america, 55 of them pay zero to help this great country of ours to defend ourselves. >> harris: how does this change that? that's part of the corporate structuring, right? >> a minimum of 15%. the tax rate was at 35% before 2017. it went to 21%. that was a tremendous savings but not good enough, i guess. all we're saying is 15% minimum most people around the country pay a 21% corporate or greater. why can't the greatest billion dollars of revenue a year, why can't they pay at least 15% for this great country? >> harris: are you trying to also say. this is the part that counts. people look at corporations and they know they have great tax accountants. heck, they have complete departments trying to come up with ways to find loopholes and to hire people as well. let's not forget that, too.