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that any american would be judg that decided that they believe there is enough evidence for mr. trump to be charged with crimes. >> that old rancheria can indic a ham sandwich technique thank you. we are joined by an attorney representing donald trump at a different matter. former federal prosecutor jim trusty. it's great to have you on. you would think the first time the president has never indicted , you would think the case would be really robust. this case does not. to be that robust. what are your thoughts. >> we've not seen the actual indictment but the das office has graciously -- graciously leaks stuff every step of the way because it is donald trump noticed that we actually have a leak of a seale indictment. there's no rule of law, no rule that apply when they're targeting donald trump paid so think there's going to be fundamental frailties to this case have obviously when you're talking about michael:is your star witness, something is crazy