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area we only have two detox centers and they're always full. >> dana: on the overdose deaths in oregon before and after measure 110. january 2021, 838. still way too high. after almost 1200 people dying. is it in these efforts to legalize that you -- i say we in america aren't doing it the right way? is there a better way to do this than maybe reversing this? >> certainly. so i would say not legalize but decriminalize. it means that we can instead of legalizing, we can attach penalties to things. we can stop public drug use. that is not allowed in places like portugal where they decriminalized drugs. they don't allow open air drug scenes. portland is rampant with that. the doctor who came up with the