i think we need medicare bulk purchasing. it was wrong during the healthcare debate to take pharma out of it. let medicare negotiate for lower prices. that would save $200 billion. >> chris: they tried to do it and the drug companies stiffed them. >> we need medicare fraud units in each and every state. there h is a lot of fraud. $100 billion in fraud. you don't need to be handling out of washington. i have taken on medicaid fraud. >> chris: are you willing to reduce the benefit. >> let me say one thing. $130 billion that can be done. the pay as you go system and a bipartisan debt commission to come back with recommendations. >> chris: dr. paul anything specific you are willing to say i will change entitlements this way. >> you don't do anything to people receiving social security and medicare. we have the baby boom generation getting ready to retire and we will double the