so, you know, again, the way that this plane appears to have landed and where it ended up was definitely a plus for everyone -- or as many people getting off as possible. >> that's amazing insight. because of what you just said, ken smith from sf fire, from his opinion there, the smoke and fire is outside, not inside the plane. that's a big difference, ken, right? if that was inside the plane, this could be a lot worse in terms of fatalities. >> it definitely would have been a different scenario for us, and for anyone. like i said, without any speculation, you know, based on what i see, there don't appear to be, you know, smoke coming out of those doorways at that time. >> ken, what's the response time? we heard the air traffic control talk to the pilot of asiana airlines there. and it seems in less than 60 seconds the fire trucks were there to put out the fire. >> yes.