to have a job the next day. they go nuclear on everything. >> first, they're trying to forestall that coverage. a very aggressive pushback, even when you make the first call to inquire about ratings. let's remember, the story on which that occurred was on such minor import. >> it didn't matter. they had one month that was good. >> didn't matter. they went nuclear on it anyway. it's a warning, you do this, you could be in peril as well. >> ana marie, you're working for the guardian. and there is a really -- one of the things that comes through in david's book, that i think is interesting, is just the culture of uk newspapers is so different. and in some ways, they are so much more extra to the national conversation. here, in some cases, cable news ends up being something that drives it a lot more. but do you feel like murdoch's influence is on the wane or on the rise? >> well, that's an interesting question. i was actually thinking, as you've been talking about this, that murdoch himself is a lot