saying this in public. for governor kaine to be agreeing with me that the national political ambitions are over is remarkable. but also very insightful. he realizes that it's over and at some point in time christie will have to realize it is as well. >> but the other story with kaine, and i think this is something to appreciate about the peculiartist, right after the election chris christie sort of high off the 60% re-election and one of his first actions was to move against the republican leader of the state senate to try to oust the republican leader of the state senate, tom kaine jr. >> working with a democrat. >> that's the thing i want you to explain to people. what tom kaine jr.'s crime was in his eyes, there was this pro-chris christie wing who have been protecting him.