married. they decide to get married because they went through so much with that guy, or that woman. been through so much together, even though this relationship is terrible, we're going to get married. >> i think that's a similar dynamic. this is something you work for your whole life. you built this. i also think she feels she earned this. >> i just think in the world of democratic politics, i think there's a discounting of the possibility she could lose frankly. i think there's a bizarre overconfidence. [ all speak at once ] >> they're related in this sense. this is someone who has had a remarkable career in american politics, that has had way more ups and downs than your average career. some of the most brutally difficult moments from a person can experience. i think about my private life being splashed across anywhere. i don't think anyone would want