is it in cars? are they being smuggled in? is it by foot? >> what happens is they get on buses in their countries. a lot of them either ask people how to get here or they pay smugglers in their own countries. when they get to nosa, mexico, based on interviews i did previously here in arizona over the last week, they get to the border of mexico and pay a smuggler to bring them across in these little small inflatable rafts. it's not a long distance. a lot of them are just turning themselves in to the border patrol and asking for help. >> dan, we're talking what ages here? some of the pictures we're seeing looks like, you know, toddlers being held by people with their, you know, little feet. how old are these kids? >> we don't have a good sense of what the unaccompanied minors who are coming across. i don't think they're infants or little kids. they're probably teenagers or,