there mostly peaceful? >> i think that it is successful. one of the things that i will credit the chief for is that he's really -- he's new in this role and position and he's really worked to establish inroads into the african-american community. so he's called me along with others to say if something like this were ever to happen in madison, could we have real dialogue and build bridge so we can begin dialogue and avoid any negative outfull of this. and so i do appreciate the transparency. i think that that helps to calm people's hearts. but the community is very hurt. there are still questions we want answered and it's a very volatile moment for our community. >> we can imagine how the community would want answers. we've had three days of vigils and different protests taking place throughout madison. but the approach of the police chief reaching out to you specifically, how has that worked for you and the people that you're trying to minister in quelling any of the frustrations?