because the truth is, what was instead in that chant is disgusting. >> i understand the stop stitching impulse there. but also, if you recognize what's bad about what happened, you want to pull it out by the root and branch, you've got to come clean about where that comes from. >> yeah. but the root and branch is america. so i think it's like this specific song, or this specific chast may have captured our attention. but there are lots of other things that he could have said in lots of other places where he could have picked up that information and it's provocative, just as ill informed. >> what do you think ends up being the takeaway from this incident? is this one of these, we have these occasional kind of rituals in american public life of kind of, you know, incidents of racial controversy, racism, and the kind of healing and therapeutic sense and we move on to the next one? >> well, you know, i think the thing that we've done, is that we've stigmatized certain