be bad. he may not be a good person but he's our guy and he always beats those republicans and if you beat republican, you got to be a little corrupt. you got to be a little dirty, a little tough. you got to play dirty because they're such dirty low life scum backs. i heard that a lot in '99 and 2000. >> cynical. >> it's extraordinarily cynical. they go over the line sometimes. but there are worse once. they have affection for her policy position. they are glad she has moved to the left. this is not someone they think is going to remake walk. there is no love affair for her the way there was for president obama for instance. but they don't think elizabeth warren can beat her. they don't think any other democrat can hold the white house. >> elizabeth warren may feel good. she doesn't have what hillary clinton has, hillary is tough.