and going to war based on the intelligence we had. he's my brother. >> he's using it as a defense. >> i love my sister but if she led us to a war in iraq i would be very upset with her. i love you, but -- >> let's put hillary clinton in this sort of -- to go back to the sort of primal question around her candidacy, the e-mails on the private server. that's an ethical question as well. >> was it an ethical question for the 50 other public officials that didn't do that either? >> she's running for office and is the first person to run for office that's put -- >> that's set the bar pretty low. >> you don't think that's an ethical question? >> no. i don't think politicians as a group are less ethical than the rest of the population. i do think we've kree yeaeda created