here about whether these individuals want to possibly die for whatever it is they are fighting, particularly if they have no faith in the state for which they are dying or the state will be able to hold those gains once they make those sacrifices. >> well, i don't think this largely shia army has much faith in the idea that the sunnis are going to sort of come together with them and live happily ever after together. i think there's a view in the shia army that why should they be fighting for sunni land? after all, the sunnis have made it abundantly clear that they'd like out, they'd like their own state. so i think it is essentially, as you suggest, kind of a fundamental political question. haider al abadi, the shia prime minister has done his best to do outreach to the sunnis but i don't see sunni willingness to live under shia. that's an essential problem with iraq and by the way, an essential problem for a long, long time. >> that does seem to be the issue we keep kind of lapping around, right, because what we saw in ramadi isn't different