they just think that the dynamics are too sort of not in their -- too against them. by the way, i don't think that they're wrong about that. and, chris, let me say this too -- i'm for changes of venue. i'm for fairness. i just wish that this doctrine meant something outside these cases. >> right. basically your frustration having worked as a defense attorney is all of a sudden things become so much -- the scales that are so tipped against the defense in all normal circumstances, all of the things we talk about, due process, innocent until proven guilty, all these checks on overreaching of prosecution suddenly start to mean something when the people being prosecuted are the police. >> it's astonishing. what's really funny is think about it tsarnaev the boston bomber -- >> a city unbelievably traumatized and terrorized by a mass murder it was that trial.