d.c. number two, i think we've grown really weary of the community organizer thing. and i think having actual experience as a ceo of a state and a trookack record of get being thins done is resonating well. >> you just described jeb bush. what is wrong with jeb? >> jeb has been out of it way too long and his last name is bush. a problem more so in the republican voters than with the democratic voters, but the idea of core row naturing -- i think jeb bush is a great guy, but i personally believe that it's going to be a fresh face. i think people are ready at least on the republican side for somebody who is not the stereotypical politician. and somebody that can actually point to a track record of getting things done. you're right bush can do that, but i think being out of it for as long as he's been out of it also the last name bush --