democrats who are ready to support her are saying what's the deal here? and there's a little of that now, too. >> she's not holding the kind of events that sanders is holding. >> wide open town halls. ask me whatever you want. >> okay. when does she do that? what do you think? >> you know i'm not on the inside of that track. but i was befuddled by how she performed seven years ago. another person that comes into mind when you think about this stuff, who was the guy who campaigned on two americas? john edwards. had that first caucus been held a week later in '04, i promise you he would have beaten kerry. he came on so strong. and of course he came in second to obama seven years ago. >> so sanders is something to really watch here as you see it? i mean these early crowds? it couldn't be any better this early, could it? >> you know it is -- you would think of this as there's an oh wow moment.