closure, meaning i am voting to end the debate, but it does not mean i am going to vote positively at the next stage. that pretty much never happens in confirmations, but we've seen a lot of firsts in this one so far. >> could you imagine any senators -- i'm trying to imagine the argument that would lead a senator to do that. >> the argument is the belief that the nominee or the bill in some cases deserves an actual up and down vote. and i am willing to proceed it to a nonvote. in fact, a lot of senators used to do this a lot of the time in the past. it's a very common thing. you never took the closure vote to mean the guarantee on what the next vote would be. it was simply senators saying, well, of course, this should go to a final vote. and so that's also a possibility here. >> and it does feel like every day this story takes another twist, this nomination takes another twist. there is a new either external or intrinsic factor that we