incident when it comes to social justice issues. certainly the trump years represent a backlash and a friction about this, but that's why i think that 2020 is going to be an election where these issues are going to be discussed in a healthy way and they should be discussed in a healthy way. >> we're also having this conversation about privilege. we're still having to have every year the annual halloween lecture that you can't do black face. people aren't catching up with the idea that it shouldn't be done. people are already -- we still for some reason can't get people to understand that black face is terrible. you have this preppy privilege -- >> there's no parsing it. >> you have to make or buy a clan robe to do that picture. >> clan robe is a -- clan represents lynchings, murder, blood shed. >> different level. >> there's no way to act like