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that now evolved into the qanon types and the type of evil geniuses that kurt writes about in his second book. i would love to ask kurt, there is this intertwining of these two things, qanon types and the economic types, and how does this get unwound? >> that's -- you couldn't have put it -- i couldn't have put it better, walter, thank you. they are connected. and you really see one place in which the republican conservative basically saying we're no longer necessarily good with -- committed to facts, committed to factual reality. you see it in '89-'90, when george h.w. bush administration was about to have a massive climate change initiative, right. that was a bipartisan idea. we got to fight this climate change thing, get global warming down. john sununu, as a definite evil