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it seems that in china it was just a very, very strict extraordinary lockdown, where you lock people in the house, but without any seemingly end game to it. if the end game was to, let's get everybody vaccinated, including and particularly the vulnerable, then you could see how a temporary lockdown like that, but they went into a prolonged lockdown without any purpose or end game to it, which doesn't make sense. >> you understand the vaccination strategy? >> in many respects, chuck, it baffles me. >> they refuse outside vaccines. they only use their own. >> which clearly, with all due respect, was not very effective at all, compared to the number of vaccines available. also, interestingly, they did not, for reasons that i don't fully appreciate, protect the elderly by making sure the elderly got vaccinated.