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renato makes a really great point that he might have asked for the subpoena. we have seen him before, he shut down january 6th violation of the separation of powers, can't talk about deliberations, but he did say in a few interviews when he was doing his book tour, that he was willing to talk or he would consider talking to the justice department. so it is possible that he's trying to split the difference. he's not going to volunteer to go up there, but he might listen to a subpoena. it will be interesting to see how much he thinks he has to appear to fight it. listening to our legal friends, i feel like he doesn't have a leg to stand on. >> he's entitled to the process, and the process can add some time, although they can also seek emergency expedited review. the politics which we haven't discussed a ton tonight, mike pence might want to be the republican nominee for president. >> he does. >> the direction of this might hurt other candidates, namely the president he served who at one point was encouraging acts