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evidence they might be able to give with respect to the former president. it wasn't just giving it to, you know campaign contributors or people he likes. this really fundamentally went to interfering with the investigation. so that can be a form of obstruction, and obviously selling pardons is also a federal crime. >> i want to just inform the conversation around -- these are open questions. trump is running for president again. this is looking back at what the culture of pardons is like in the final days. this is thanks to the january 6th select committee. >> and are you aware of any members of congress? >> mr. gaetz and mr. brooks i know have both advocated for there to be a blanket pardon for members involved in that meeting, and a handful of other members that weren't at the december 21st meeting. as the preemptive pardons.