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dichotomy. you either have to fire up the base or you can reach out across the aisle. remember democratic voters are people who also want to see progress. they want to see things get done. and what president biden has been able to do in the first few years of his presidency is not going where republicans wouldn't come along. things he could not get them to do he went and did them himself. the inflation reduction act. the biggest investment in tackling climate change degeneration. he did that with republican votes. but he was able to get republican votes for gun safety bill. able to get meaningful things done with republicans. for him that his fundamental. i think that is what voters want to see. you can bet that will be a central piece of his pitch for 2024. >> obviously it's going to be a part of his pitch. can you just confirm that for us? cause you've done a lot of campaigns. you did work on the biden campaign but in this age of trump do you think that message in this environment is going to work? if it is central to the presidents reelection campaign? >> i think it won't only work i

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