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so far, he has been unwilling to do that, even though he sort of tiptoed toward it. i think this is the interesting question. does this make a difference at all? my sense is probably not, even though this tape is extraordinary. i mean, not only do you have a former president of the united states admitting maybe multiple felonies on tape, but he is laughing in a cavalier manner about sharing war plans. you would think on earth 2.0, where we have a rational political system, that this would be the definitive breaking point, but we've seen this show before. until republicans actually decide, wait, you know, this former president actually, you know, was laughing while he was giving away war plans that might have cost or might cost american lives, you have to assume it is going to be same old, same old. >> jen psaki, i'm curious, because if you look at right-wing websites or watch certain tv channels, you will hear all about hunter at the

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