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you have no idea how that conversation is going to go. >> he is willing to take risks, but risks he is comfortable with, and people do that when they plan things out. >> suggesting that he knew that if amy's mom received a phone call, she would not start looking for her right away. >> right. and he bought himself also some time to make sure amy still felt comfortable. >> police do not know where amy was when she made that call, because back then, local calls within an area code were not even logged. we do know this. amy was in the hands of a calculating and devious planner. >> we are talking about somebody who is intelligent and yet will commit a heinous crime. it's a very unusual pairing. >> fbi agent phil torsney wondered if amy might have called from the westgate mall, which was about six miles from the shopping plaza where amy was last seen. >> it is very likely during the initial part of the subduction,