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look at that third-party ticket, right, and scared about it, it's -- there's no -- you have to look at two third-party tickets. the manchin one, no labels. it would draw centrists away from biden. and the other, cornell, take a couple points. a few key thousand votes in critical states away from biden in what jen is reliving sort of a jill stein scenario. right? i don't want to trig ter again, but that is what happened. you are plugged in, eugene, you know the people. which do they fear the most? do they fear the -- the manchin-type run or do they fear the cornel west small percentage points liberal enthusiasm just being drained from them? >> well, the answer, of course, because they're democrats, is both. you know? but before i get to that,