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disparities inequities where black people are more likely to die at the hands of police violence, the impoverished, be incarcerated, died from heart disease and cancer, if we don't talk about race? if we don't identify by race? you know, so that is the fact of the matter. and they want to illuminate conversations about race so that they can hide racism. and if you hide racism, then they are able to hide their policies that are actually causing those disparities and inequities, or in the case of vivek, again, it continues to praise donald trump, his role in maintaining those inequities. >> i'm sure not really all that interested in having a debate with vivek ramaswamy, but i would really enjoy listening to you debunked some of those ridiculous arguments. abram, good to see you again, get a lot more conversation on, this we, will we always. have i appreciate your time, as. always abram ex kennedy, professor and founder of the