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push him into it. >> do you feel like desantis is letting trump off the hook? >> don't you? i do. i do, yeah. trump needs to be at those debates. to me trump thinks he's got it in the bag. >> reporter: that gentleman lives about 15 miles down the road from here, chris, and two specific examples that he brought up as to why ron desantis has not attacked donald trump for bashing incessantly john mccain and for also not attacking donald trump on the way that he refers to women directly referencing his use of the word horse face to describe one woman particularly. >> all right, so matt, look, trump is never going to debate, right? due respect to that gentleman what reflect what is a lot of people feel, they want to hear all the candidates on the stage. donald trump didn't feel he needed to debate. so without the star attraction there, is there anything that haley and desantis can do? what can they hope to get out of