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going to lose that appeal, okay, tell me more. what do you think? what do you mean? but then i go, well, but he's going to end up in front of a trial full of left-wing liberals who are going to hang him. who am i going to have sympathy for? you are donald trump? >> running against michael steele -- i want to bring into the conversation senior correspondent at puck news and the host of somebody's gotta win. indeed, somebody's gotta win. i wonder if anyone else is closer to that truth. >> well, somebody's got to win second place, but i think maybe this debate actually did not get anyone closer to second. i feel like they came out of this a parity. i don't feel like either one of them traps the other and either way but there was something more substantial to bait than i have seen in the past with vivek ramaswamy in the fight he was having with nikki haley and