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national trends, not necessarily the time the candidates spent on the ground in iowa. and these debates stages are so incomplete in the way that they are structured, simply because trump has taken himself out of it. and none of the other candidates have seemed to adjust to their debate stage tragedy to account for the fact that they are not going against each other, they are all fighting a phantom who is not on the stage. >> speaking of that phantom, it seems to me, ali vitali, the biggest news out of this week was the fact that presidents -- an attorney for the former president of the united states making the argument that a president should be shielded from prosecution even for doing something like attempting to assassinate political enemies simply because he was the united states president. i don't understand how you don't reckon with that on the debate stage. to your point about that phantom, it's not just speaking about donald trump because he is the front runner. it's not just speaking about donald trump because he's on the debate stage, speaking