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legitimate way possible to avoid deciding whether the former president is disqualified. there are very, very few if any off-ramps that will allow the supreme court to avoid a decision in this case. indeed, i believe that there are none. section three at the 14th amendment simply could not be any clearer, that the former president is disqualified from the presidency. >> as we continue tonight's combined law school class and history class, we're joined now by david white, professor of american history and african american studies. he won the pulitzer prize in history for his book, frederick douglass, profit of freedom. he's also the author of several other books including race and reunion in the civil war, in america memory. and eric phoner joins us,