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white house saying that joe biden could be more relaxed, fewer times, smaller events, real reconnecting with the scranton joe person, whatever. it's endlessly perplexing to me that democrats can't get credit for being economic populists. is it because the economic populism is rooted in some policy that we heard from aoc and bernie sanders or elizabeth warren? progressives who are college educated. but at its heart the biden policies have deeply benefited the working class and the white working class. yet over and over again we are told that there is a shared feeling among white blue-collar workers that joe biden hasn't been good for them. what is at the root of that? >> where in this moment where so many people, rightfully so when you think about what you've talked about, the violence that former president is pushing, the outrageous policy proposals that he has. we're in a moment where so much is on fire. and trump has this job of just throwing more matches. joe biden has not only been