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christian, likely than the other jurors? >> they don't appear to be trial lawyers, so it's very different. i heard someone write they've heard this instruction lots of times. most lawyers aren't trial lawyers. if they're trial lawyers, yes, they're used to objection and sustained. if they've never set foot in the courtroom, they're lawyers. i have a bias, i would never put a lawyer on a jury unless that's all i'm left with. i'm afraid they're thinking too much because that's what lawyers do, and they're second-guessing. it depends on the lawyer. as i said, if they're trial lawyers, and i don't think either of them are, that's a problem. >> let us bring in someone who actually saw donald trump in the courtroom, rachel maddow. msnbc's rachel maddow, one of the very few people inside the courtroom today. rachel, fill in the gaps. what was it like? >> reporter: first of all, thanks for having me and thanks