three times. twice with a spoon and once with a razor blade, just watch the blood come out. i do it sometimes for the hell of it. it took 15 years of bottled anger to do what i did on the streets. if i keep it bottled up again, i may end up doing it to somebody again. >> he's not going to get that chance anytime soon. ramon isn't eligible for parole until 2057. >> if i could go back in time, i would have escaped when i had the chance. or at least took out at least 30 people before i go. i would have had a little fun while i was out there. >> our interview ended with ramon's chilling outlook on his life. >> i figure that's what i was put on the earth for, to be a serial killer. that's my job. if i do get a chance to get out, maybe i wouldn't do that. since i ain't got no chance of getting out, i might as well just carry out my plan. >> which is? >> to kill as many people as i can before i die. >> i've been told i'm pretty