we've been covering it for a couple years. salon.com is all over this. what's going on here? >> this is the latest extension of that. it's a tragic, tragic story. you have military families suffering twice. they suffer the loss of a loved one and suffering the loss of a loved one because arlington cemetery has misplaced them. one of the things mark has, pieces of paper that have the same name of the same person buried in two different places. they excavate and dig it up and find that the caskets are empty. the system has just been really appalling there. i think the new superintendent, the army itself, has to become much more transparent about what they're doing and let people know, this is the problem, this is how we're trying to fix it. >> how could this be? how could you misplace the remains of somebody who died overseas or anything for that matter? >> it's been an ongoing tragedy