with what -- we can't conduct this war without those cia operatives there. >> right. well, let's talk about general petraeus over there, nobly over there leading our forces in afghanistan right now in what looks like a war of attrition at some point. can he win this war, gentlemen, starting with you, john.ç this is my main point tonight. can we win the war in afghanistan if our ally over there in that region, pakistan, is really on the other side and is more afraid of karzai as an indian agent than they are afraid of the taliban or al qaeda? are we in the wrong league over there? >> two things, chris. militarily there's no way the taliban can win as long as we are there. but what this administration is suffering from and what the bush administration was suffering from is they have absolutely as far as i can tell no political plan to resolve the situation in afghanistan. what i want to know, we keep hearing this administration, we heard the last administration talking about there's no military solution in afghanistan. well, if there's a political