raised. definitely this whole shift from -- it just seems as though the middle class and the poor in this country are getting picked on with the taxes. you know, definitely shouldering more and more of the tax burden in this country. >> garrett, you believe that? >> i totally agree with it. i totally agree with it. you know, the higher you climb on the income scale the more things you have to write off which at the end of the day, you know, the less taxes you have to pay. so i totally agree with mike and he's right about that. >> your final question for you, mr. steele. >> yes, sir. >> do you think that reducing the personal income tax from 35% to 25%, do you think that's a political winner for the republicans? >> well, since that is part of the debt commission that the president has put together, has recommended a 23% top rate, yeah. i think 25% would be a good start. >> okay. so you give no validity