he has been, from the january 6th, and beyond, by the way. meanwhile you've got the candidates like the ramaswamy who are very much defending him. i'm wondering from your perspective, what are the matchups when they get to that stage? who is the person, even if trump is not there, who are you watching to see, essentially, really debate on that stage? >> it is a big difference whether trump is there or not there. if he is there the thing i would be fascinated by is the idea of mike pence and donald trump sharing a stage. certainly in the history of televised debates, perhaps of all presidential debates, you have never had a former president and his former vice president on the same stage. that would be just fascinating to watch. and also the whole question of what happened on january 6th is at the very heart of the new indictment, the third indictment against trump.