Allowed him to buy his weapons. Rose and we continue with the arrest that took place in saudi a yaib a rain why over the weekend. We talk to robin wright. This is a real life game of thrones. It is argueically the most dramatic moment in the modern history of saudi arabia. The young crown prince and his ailing father have basically engaged in a, what amounts to a kind of coup destat against their own royal family. We continue with Taika Waititi director of the new film thor ragnarook. When i was going to make thee film, my friend said are you like a six year old, and from what i can gather on this film you asked a bunch of six year olds what they wanted in a movie and i gave them 180 million. We continue with Anthony Bourdain about their documentary Jeremiah Tower, the last magnificent. I have been cooking food heavily ripped off or influenced by him but it was his book, california dish, his memoir that left me angry, you know, in a book there say clear case made for his true importance to what we call the American Food revolution. And the fact that he appeared to have been wittingly written out of history made me press my justice button, made me angry and really was the impetus for this film. The tragedy in texas, arrest in saudi arabia, Taika Waititi, robin wright and Anthony Bourdain when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. Bank of america, life better connected. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. We begin tonight with the cbs evening News Coverage of the shooting in a texas church that took place yesterday. Killing more than 20. Somebody ran in, they started shooting everybody. Cell phone video shows the victims and the chaos that spilled on to the front lawn of the First Baptist church after the suspect, 26 year old devin kelley went on his horrific spree. Yellow tarp covered one of the 26 who died. Its unbelievable. Reporter David Casillas took the video. It was horrifying, some of the equipment with blood on them, gloves with blood on them, a deceased person right there right in front. Around 11 20 sunday morning kelley dressed in black tack kal gear was spotted at a gas station across from the church. He drove over, bot out and began firing with a rugerar type rifle shooting two outside the church. Kelley then went inside and continued to fire shooting dozens. As he left, a neighbor Steven Williford confrontedded and shotd kelley who dropped his weapon and fled in an suv. A car chase ensued that ended when the suspect ran off the road and crashed. He was found dead inside his car, possibly from a selfinfliblghted gunshot wound. Im no hero. Steven williford heard the shots from his home, ran out without shoes on and began shooting at kelley. And every time i heard a shot, i knew that that probably represented a life. I was scared to death. Reporter Freeman Martin is with the Texas Department of public safety. We foa during that pursuit, the suspect used his cell phone to notify his father that he had been shot, and didnt think he was going to make it. Reporter today fbish agents scoured Church Property for evidence, three fire arms were recovered including two handguns and the rifle used at the scene. Investigators believe the incident stemmed from a domestic dispute. Kelley was estranged from his current wife danielle shields. The suspects motherinlaw, a member of the church received threatening texts from him but was not present at the time of the shooting. Weve had a long night with our children and grand babies we have left. Pastor frank pomroy and his wife sherry who werent at church lost their youngest daughter. 14 year old anna bell. The few of us that are left behind lost tragically yesterday. As senseless as this tragedy was, our sweet bell would not have been able to deal with losing so much family yesterday. Rose we turn now to saudi arabia, over the weekend the Saudi Crown Prince ordered at rest of dozen of of saudi arabia most influential figures, the arrests without formal charges and portrayed as part of a new anticorruption campaign. The purge is the latest move from the crown prince, in his drive to consolidate power and modernize the king 2k078. On saturday President Trump spoke with king salman and praised his sons recently reforms but did not directly address the arrest. Joining from washington is wob robin wright of the new yorker and joint fellow of the new york her most recent piece is you will cad the saudi royal purge with trumps consent. Welcome, robin. Thank you for coming. Great to be with you, charlie. Rose put all of this in context. What in the world is going on over there and pick it up, i assume, not only the grand sweep of history and a young 30 year old son advancing to be deputy crown prince and then throwing out the crown prince and now making these arrests under the banner of corruption, a consolidate of power and he already had a lot of power. Make some sense out of this for us. This is a real life game of thrones, it is arguably the most dramatic moment in the 340d earn history of saudi arabia. The young crown prince and his ailing father have basically engaged in a, what amounts to a kind of coup destat against their own royal family it was a sweeping a rest over the weekend that is reportedly continued through monday and no one is quite sure when it may end. So far theyve netted more than a dozen senior princes, three heads of networks, one of the richest men in the world, the leader of the most effective branch of the military, current and former cabinet ministers. This is astonishing in its sweep. And very sudden. But it does follow as you pointed out a number of steps beginning with the summer when the crown prince and his father orchestrated the removal of the crown prince. And the young prince, the current kings third son who is only 32 now stepped in as the crown prince. He now holds the lovers of every Single Branch that is important in the kingdom, political, economic, military, and within the royal court. And now he heads this new Anticorruption Commission that has allowed him to arrest these extraordinary array of his own family. The most powerful people among the most powerful people in the kingdom. And seize their assets. The New York Times reported that he had issued a ban on travel for other members of the royal family. And its very uncertain where this is now headed. Clearly he wants to consolidate power. Clearly this is in the runup to some kind of succession, whether itnis with a king abdicating or becoming a region and the crown prince stepping in or paving a way to secure his claim to the throne in a ver volatile environment that has repercussions for the middle east, for the worlds Financial Markets and for the United States and western allies depend et on oil. Rose no one has seen the saudis fight like this publicly before. They have ruled by consensus. Yes. Absolutely. And since the founder of saudi arabia died in 1953, the sons all ruled by consensus. They would pick one brother and it went through the dozens of the founders sons, were now at a point where not only have they purged other members of the royal family, they have also affectively created a new royal family from within the sprawling house of saud which has new thousands of members. And theyre excluding, you know, hundreds of other princes who are senior, among those purged was one who was a contender who is four decades older than crown Prince Mohammed bin salman. And this is a way of making sure that he gets the throne. Rose what do you think the americans, President Trump, his son in law knew about this . Well, very interesting that of course the relationship between saudi arabia and the United States has been transformed under president bush. There was a lot of tension during the obama administration. Rose under president bush or President Trump. Under President Trump, yes. And there was a lot of tension during the obama administration. Trump made his first trip abroad as the president to the kingdom. They have communicated regularly, his son in law Jared Kushner has made three trips, the last one unannounced at the end of october, in the runup to this massive purge. The pretext was to talk about the middle east peace process. But the Jared Kushner has a very close relations with the crown prince. Theyre both in their 30s. They reportedly talk well into the night sometimes until 4 a. M. About regional issues. And there is a real closeness. And there is a sense that the Trump Administration has implicitly, if not explicitly approved whats happening. President trump called the king on saturday from air force one on his way to asia. And praised him for the kind of statements the king and the crown prince have made, pledging modernization of the capital, of the kingdom. And taking a firm stand against terrorism. And so there is a sense that the father and son duo now in power feel that they have the support or the flexibility to go ahead and take some really tough stuff against their own family to secure their power. I hear two things. Number one there is a lot of people are in favor of the kind of reforms that the crown prince enacted his plan for economic change and his plan for changing certain cultural aspects of saudi arabia including women driving as a symbol of that. Many support that but they object to him move sog fast, so young, so inexperienced. And there is some pushback to him for that reason. Is that true . Oh, i think so, absolutely. And his vision 2030 which is an attempt to modernize the kingdom and transform parts of the kingdom into areas where they have hightech hubs, for example, where there will be a lot of robots, where they will do a lot of medical research, that this is a very ambitious plan. It calls for the investment of hundreds of billions of dollars. And theres a sense that this kind of modernization is really critical for the saudi kingdom to move forward, that it has been a, not only ultra conservative but depend ent on basically its oil revenues and this is an attempt to di verse fie. The problem of course is that economic reform is not matched by political form and giving women the right to drive doesnt really take you to a place that opens up society. And there are also a lot of questions about whether women are going to be able to drive without getting permission from the male guardian, whether there will be limits on the hours, on whether they can drive only to work and to shop and not to, as some people say, joy ride just to get out in their cars and drive. And so there are some token steps that have been taken or will be taking next year. But theyre not meaningful, this is a country where you have somewhere around, the ma jortd of the population is well under 30. And about a third of them are unemployed. And these issues dont address some of these fundamental concerns that have lead to a lot of discontent and have lead people whether to join al qaeda, isis or become disillusioned with the royal family. And this is a problem for the regime. They have taken some steps. They have ambitious plans but will they be matched by things that will allow them to really feel like the countrys 340d earnizing. It is one of the most conservative countries on earth. It is given us the ideology wahabi islam that produced alqaeda and so there are a lot of questions about whether it really can adapt, especially under the leadership of somebody who soanl 32. Does it have to do with corruption or power or maintenance of power . Well, as a saudi editor said to me yesterday, the kingdom has been corrupted for 40 or 50 years its been endemic. The question is are these the people who are the most corrupt or just the people who might be the most threat or be seen as more vionary than the king and his young son. You know, corruption is an issue and yes t must be dealt with. Corruption is, you know as well as anyone, endemic across the middle east. And its particularly bad in an Oil Rich State like saudi arabia. And it is clearly not the only reason or may not be the main reason. People inside the kingdom resent the wealth that is concentrated among the elites. But im not sure this is the way to handle it. And what we dont know, are some judicial steps of being people formally charged, they have access to lawyers. As far as we know from pictures released today, a lot have been corralled into the rits carlton where there is a Strong Security contingent. And you know, havent been allowed to say anything. Why did prince al wall ed a businessman included in this. One of the most interesting things is al wall lead al tallal on of the rimpestmen in the world, mixed in business dealing with bill gate and rupert pur dock, he was among the investors who took the plaza in new york off Donald Trumps hands and bought a yacht from trump. He investments in citybank and lyft, in twitter, really a forward thinker and has been very imaginative. He gave 20 million to Georgetown University to create the center for christianmuslim understanding. And that he was roped in in all of this is really an incredible signal signal to anyone with any resource whats think they can buy their way out or that money is a cushion in saudi arabia, is in for a real shock. Rose will they be put on trial or what will happen. We have no idea. But the one last story about al wall ed is that he got into a twitter war with donald trump in 2015. He sent out a tweet saying that trump was not only a disgrace to the Republican Party but to the entire United States. And he should step down. And eight hours later trump tweeted back and called him dopey and said that he only excelled because of his fathers money. And of course donald trump did pretty well off his own fathers money. So there has been a lot of tension between the two ever since. Rose i talked to someone today who you know and without being cute, without said to me look, this is either one of two things. A young man who is very, very confident in his own abilities, very kf department that he can take risky moves and prevail. Or b, hes very, very, very nervous and hes acting first in order to save his own skin. It may be a bit of both. That this is a young man who has incredible confidence that he has a way to chart a wol different saudi arabia. After all, hes changing the way that the country is ruled and hes changing who rules it. But hes also incredibly vulnerable. And one of the things that is interesting is he may be picking up some of these people to ensure that when his father is either incapacitated or dies, that there isnt a challenge to his own power, that he actually does get the throne. Hes made a lot of mistakes in a very short period. He became defense minister at the age of 29, he was behind saudi arabias war on yemen which is becoming like its vietnam. He has engaged in a feud with qatar which is a little peninsula where you just were, off the saudi coast. And its not gone well, d o. J. O, the royal family there has managed to survive this isolation by its big neighbor. And so the saudis think they should have a more Important Role in the region just as this particular branch of the family thinks it should have a more Important Role inside the kingdom. And things arent going well. Rose what is the role if any of the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates . I dont know the answer to that question. Clarily the United Arab Emirates and saudi arabia have moved handinhand when it comes to whether its common policy or yemen, common policy against isis. They are of like minds in terms of trying to modernize. How much the ua knew about this is unclear. You wrote in the new yorker. Com it is the equivalent of waking up to find Warren Buffett and the heads of abc, cbs and nbc have been arrested a former u. S. Official told me it has all the parynses of a coup detay. Saudarabia is rapidly becoming another country, the kingdom has never been this unstable. So this is not over by a long shot. Not over. This is really the beginning. And the question is, can the young crown prince sustain the momentum of that began this summer with ousting his predecessor than in september, arresting prominent clerics and intllectuals and now this massive sweep within the royal family. And. Just take note of one thing that you mentioned at the very beginning. One of the powerful military forces in saudi arabia is the National Guard. The fat guard has been lead by the abdullah family who was the previous king without died what, a year or two ago. And for years has been their own power base. And all of a sudden they replace the head of the National Guard with one of their own appointees. In some ways he was the most powerful man removed. The National Guard in saudi arabia is the most effective military branch, best trained t has always, had the primary role of protecting the royal family. And by taking over, by ousting him and putting in his own man the crown prince has basically taken over all the branches now of theecurity forces, so it will be very hard for anyone to challenge challenge him. And this was in some ways the most shocking. Its eliminated a man who was abdullah who was widely seens as the potential future king himself robin wright, thank you so much. Thank you. Well be right back. Stay with us. Taika waitit